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TruthSift Answers Your Questions by Rating as tentatively established those Statements that have a proof for which all rebuttals have been answered, like this one, and their demonstrations.

By: Eric, on 11 Jan 2016

TruthSift Answers Your Questions by rating Statements as Tentatively Established when they have a tentatively established proof for which all proposed refutations have been refuted., and Giving their demonstrations. You can not only see which statements have demonstrations, but trace backward in the Diagram to find the Demonstration, and to see how challenges have been refuted.

At a given time, the status may be recently changed by an incorrect challenge. The answer may be more reliable if there have been many views since the last status change. The history of topic-statement status changes and number of member-views per status is displayed by clicking the "Views" link on the home page.

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11 Jan 2016 Any smart person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact. 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 A Bold bordered statement has a demonstration for which every challenge has been refuted. 28 Sep 2016
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A Bold bordered statement has a demonstration for which every challenge has been refuted, and is thus considered Tentatively Established-- Established until someone raises a valid objection. A thin bordered statement has a Bold bordered Challenge, that is a Challenge that is itself Tentatively Established, or every proposed demonstration of it has such a TE Challenge.

Refutations (2) - CON TO Topic

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11 Jan 2016 How do I know a statement with bold borders is correct? How do I know a challenge without bold borders like this one has been answered? 28 Sep 2016
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How do I know a statement in bold borders is correct? How do I know a challenge without bold borders like this one has been answered?

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11 Jan 2016 TruthSift will yield wrong answers 28 Sep 2016
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TruthSift will bold border nodes that are false, for reasons given in the proofs of this statement.

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Proofs (15) - PRO To Topic

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11 Jan 2016 TruthSift Answers Your Questions by Rating as tentatively established those Statements that have a proof for which all rebuttals have been answered, like this one, and their demonstrations. 05 Oct 2018
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TruthSift Answers Your Questions by rating Statements as Tentatively Established when they have a tentatively established proof for which all proposed refutations have been refuted., and Giving their demonstrations. You can not only see which statements have demonstrations, but trace backward in the Diagram to find the Demonstration, and to see how challenges have been refuted.
At a given time, the status may be recently changed by an incorrect challenge. The answer may be more reliable if there have been many views since the last status change. The history of topic-statement status changes and number of member-views per status is displayed by clicking the "Views" link on the home page.

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11 Jan 2016 Rightclick on statements to add challenges, proofs, assumptions, tests, and take other actions 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 Only post statements you believe are valid, except to pedagogically post both statement and its debunking challenge. 28 Sep 2016
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Please see the Guidlines. (LINK TO BE ADDED.)

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11 Jan 2016 There is a defensible demonstration or the elite have no rational basis. The diagram publishes it, or highlights its non-existence. 28 Sep 2016
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A thesis is established when there is a valid proof of it, not because some pundit says its correct. If non-pundits enter incorrect proofs or challenges, TruthSift allows those who understand why these proofs or challenges are wrong to demonstrate that they are.

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11 Jan 2016 Because if a statement has bold border, every challenge to it or its demonstration has been met with a TE counter challenge like this one 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 A statement is bold, Tentatively Established, if all of its assumptions and at least one of its proofs are TE, and no challenge is. 28 Sep 2016
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A Statement is bold bordered, Tentatively Established, if all of its assumptions and at least one of its proofs are TE, and no challenge is, or if it has been posted without any assumptions or proofs, and has no challenges. The reason for this is: If a proof has been proposed for the statement and subsequently challenged, we require that at least one proof be established before we consider the statement TE. However, when a statement is asserted without proof, and nobody has challenged it, we do not require an additional proof be added to declare it TE, since if further proof was necessary to conclude the declaration, someone could validly challenge on that basis. Thus every statement is TE when it is first added and until it or a statement in its demonstration is challenged. By the demonstration of a Statement, we mean a proof of it, together with (as necessary because of challenges) the demonstrations of its assumptions and proof statements and falsifications of its challenges.

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11 Jan 2016 No, because you must post a novel reason you believe is valid when you challenge. The last valid reason wins, as it should. 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"--R.P. Feynman 28 Sep 2016
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"So there came a time in which the ideas, although accumulated very slowly, were all accumulations not only of practical and useful things, but great accumulations of all types of prejudices, and strange and odd beliefs.

Then a way of avoiding the disease was discovered. This is to doubt that what is being passed from the past is in fact true, and to try to find out ab initio again from experience what the situation is, rather than trusting the experience of the past in the form in which it is passed down. And that is what science is: the result of the discovery that it is worthwhile rechecking by new direct experience, and not necessarily trusting the [human] race['s] experience from the past. I see it that way. That is my best definition...Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."

--Richard P Feynman, What is Science? (1968)

http://www-oc.chemie.uni-regensburg.de/diaz/img_diaz/feynman_what-is-science_68.pdf

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11 Jan 2016 Any smart person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact. 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 If this statement is TE, since anybody in the world can post challenges, nobody has a rational argument against it or its demonstration. 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 Rationality is a property of the demonstration, not the author. 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 A Bold bordered statement has a demonstration for which every challenge has been refuted. 28 Sep 2016
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A Bold bordered statement has a demonstration for which every challenge has been refuted, and is thus considered Tentatively Established-- Established until someone raises a valid objection. A thin bordered statement has a Bold bordered Challenge, that is a Challenge that is itself Tentatively Established, or every proposed demonstration of it has such a TE Challenge.

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11 Jan 2016 After everybody has made every argument and counter argument they conceive, what remains is a rational analysis of what is understood. 28 Sep 2016
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04 Sep 2016 Have edited the topic statement to address point that at any given time, recent challenge could disrupt 28 Sep 2016
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Also adding features to indicate how many views since last status change, and to allow to highlight the recent challenges were. Coming soon.

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05 Sep 2016 Moronic Challenges Can be counter-challenged. To the extent you have reason to believe the diagram has been vetted, you may have confidence 28 Sep 2016
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You are correct that at any given time the status could have recently been disturbed by a stupid challenge. In response I have edited the topic statement, and am adding a statistic to the website reporting views since last the topic statement's rating changed, which should be some indication of whether recent changes have been vetted.

Refutations (8) - CON To Topic

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11 Jan 2016 TruthSift will lead to wrong answers because anybody can change the result, not just those with degrees and positions 28 Sep 2016
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Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

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11 Jan 2016 How do I know a statement with bold borders is correct? How do I know a challenge without bold borders like this one has been answered? 28 Sep 2016
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Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016
How do I know a statement in bold borders is correct? How do I know a challenge without bold borders like this one has been answered?

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11 Jan 2016 Doesn't it just come down to who challenges last then? 28 Sep 2016
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11 Jan 2016 TruthSift will yield wrong answers 28 Sep 2016
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TruthSift will bold border nodes that are false, for reasons given in the proofs of this statement.

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11 Jan 2016 Note this Challenge Statement is Refuted because its only proofs are all Refuted 28 Sep 2016
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28 Aug 2016 Challenges can be novel, but patently false. 28 Sep 2016
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I could add challenges in bad faith, but continue to add new ones at a rate higher than researched and thought out responses could be given.

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28 Aug 2016 Any stupid person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact. 28 Sep 2016
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Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Any person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its (hopefully) relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact. This person may not have any evidence, etc. but can be reasonable sounding or seemingly intelegent. Until someone challenges it, the impact of the statement may as well be the same as true.

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28 Aug 2016 A "New" status or something similar could help with this 28 Sep 2016
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If a new challenge/proof/etc. and it's effects could be seen seperately, it would give time for responses to occur before its effects are considered settled (at least for now), but still allow people to see the effects immediately. Potentially:

Thick red border: Newly Established. When it is only established because of new statements, or is itself a new statement.
Thin red border, displayed over thick black border: Newly Refuted. When it is only refuted becuase of new statements. Note that if it would be refuted otherwise, it's just Refuted.
Thin black border displayed over thick red border: Newly Established and Newly Refuted.

New could be established by time, views or (IMHO ideally) a combination of both.

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Topic Statement Status Last Changed: 04 Oct 2016

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1. http://www-oc.chemie.uni-regensburg.de/diaz/img_diaz/feynman_what-is-science_68.pdf

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TruthSift Answers Your Questions by Rating as tentatively established those Statements that have a proof for which all rebuttals have been answered, like this one, and their demonstrations.

Last Updated: 05 Oct 2018

Eric

Have edited the topic statement to address point that at any given time, recent challenge could disrupt

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Moronic Challenges Can be counter-challenged. To the extent you have reason to believe the diagram has been vetted, you may have confidence

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Rightclick on statements to add challenges, proofs, assumptions, tests, and take other actions

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Only post statements you believe are valid, except to pedagogically post both statement and its debunking challenge.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

TruthSift will lead to wrong answers because anybody can change the result, not just those with degrees and positions

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

There is a defensible demonstration or the elite have no rational basis. The diagram publishes it, or highlights its non-existence.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

How do I know a statement with bold borders is correct? How do I know a challenge without bold borders like this one has been answered?

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Because if a statement has bold border, every challenge to it or its demonstration has been met with a TE counter challenge like this one

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

A statement is bold, Tentatively Established, if all of its assumptions and at least one of its proofs are TE, and no challenge is.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Doesn't it just come down to who challenges last then?

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

No, because you must post a novel reason you believe is valid when you challenge. The last valid reason wins, as it should.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"--R.P. Feynman

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Any smart person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

If this statement is TE, since anybody in the world can post challenges, nobody has a rational argument against it or its demonstration.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

TruthSift will yield wrong answers

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Note this Challenge Statement is Refuted because its only proofs are all Refuted

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Rationality is a property of the demonstration, not the author.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

A Bold bordered statement has a demonstration for which every challenge has been refuted.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

After everybody has made every argument and counter argument they conceive, what remains is a rational analysis of what is understood.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

Eric

Challenges can be novel, but patently false.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

LeftRightWatermelon

Any stupid person in the world can contribute, pasting his idea right where its relevant. The system immediately highlights its impact.

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

LeftRightWatermelon

A "New" status or something similar could help with this

Last Updated: 28 Sep 2016

LeftRightWatermelon