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Statement Type  Title  Description  Proposed Probability  Author  History  Last Updated 
STATEMENT  photons are massless particles  They have energy, and momentum, but they have no rest mass, hence they can not be brought to a halt, which massive particles can be, but can travel at the speed c, which massive particles can not. 
1.0  Eric  Details  20180926 08:59:51.0 
STATEMENT  Energy has mass  Energy. 1 E=mc^2 is not the solution to E^2=(mc^2)^2. The solution is + or – E= + or – mc^2. 2 E=mc^2 is said to show how mass (kg) 'no longer exists as or with mass but 'converts into' massless energy (kgm^2/s^2) and visa versa. 1st Equals does not mean, anywhere else in maths, science or language; converts into. Everywhere else in maths, science and language equals means; both sides of the equation or statement are just two different ways of saying the exact same thing. Ordinary water ice = ordinary frozen water, frozen water does not disappear and convert into ice. Feline = cat. Any statement that equate equals with converts into, is nonsense. 2nd Energy is, wait for it, kgm^2/s^2. Mass times the speed of light squared, mass (kg) times c (m/s) squared. Energy has mass, as shown by an understanding of maths, units and what an equals sign actually means. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. E^2 = matter with existence in time, volume, mass and charge spinning with respect to itself (mc^2)^2 + the same matter with existence in time, volume, mass and charge moving with respect to everything else (pc)^2. © Without matter, with existence in time, volume, mass and charge, moving per second along a distance there is no energy. Without matter moving per second there is no force. Without matter moving there is no momentum. Without matter there is no thing, nothing.
Massless is not possible. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller.

1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  What matters about words is that they have well defined definitions that are understood  It doesn't matter if the way the words are used are somewhat different in one context than another, as long as it is understood what is meant. E=Mc^2 computes the quantity of energy you get when you convert some matter into energy. It has been verified in experiments. It provides rules that get the mass right in numerous particle accelerator experiments. As it happens, I have no idea what you mean when you say "Energy has mass", but what is meant by 
1.0  Eric  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  Massless is not possible.  Hi Eric. Thankyou for the response. :) My challenge is: All you have done is stated the common belief I was chalenging in the origanal statement. Stating a commonly held view as true, simply because it is a commonly held view has quite often been shown to be wrong. Earth as the centre of everything for example. Show me where else = means converts into? :)
As for the photon: I agree it has energy (kgm^2/s^2), kilograms((m/s)/s)m, therefore following maths, science, logic and language; energy and the photon have mass. I agree it has momentum, which is by definition mass times speed, therefore the photon has mass. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. Photons can be bought to rest, that is what detection and absorbtion of them is. Once I have energy, then dimensions, posted and discussion started I will post about the simple bits. :) c is a max as defined by a tiny photon, of course that max cannot be reached by more massive objects. That fact in no why shows that photons are massless. :) 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  The problem is that the words do not have well defined and understood definitions.  Hi Eric. Thankyou for the response. :) I agree with: It doesn't matter if the way the words are used are somewhat different in one context than another, as long as it is understood what is meant. My challenge is: The problem is that the words do not have well defined and understood definitions. Ask a million different ordinary people to define energy and you will get close to a million different answers. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. Force is harder because there are 2 types. Your statement: E=Mc^2 computes the quantity of energy you get when you convert some matter into energy; denies the simple reality that = does not mean converts into. Your statement: I have no idea what you mean when you say "Energy has mass"; produces a brain freeze in me. :) All 3 words are very simple, it is only a 3 word sentence. Your statement: what is meant by E=Mc^2 is well understood by physicists; I am trying to show that it is not well understood. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. Why is the formula the same form as Pythagoras' Theorem for a right angle triangle, c^2=a^2+b^2? Well most very big and very small things spin with respect to themselves as they move with respect to everything else. The scale of reality, ie us, that does not appear to spin with respect to itself as it moves with respect to everything else; is of course made up of a multitude of very small objects that are spinning with respect to themselves as they move with the object. A rotation with respect to self is clockwise or anticlockwise around the center of mass, or an arrow that forms a circle. © E^2 = (matter with existence in time, volume, mass and charge spinning with respect to itself (mc^2))^2 + (the same matter with existence in time, volume, mass and charge moving with respect to everything else (pc))^2. © FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. Your statement: and practically applied frequently; is something that can happen without any understanding and/ or false explanations of how it is working. 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  Relativistic momentum is not mass times speed  The problem with your theory is it ignores special relativity. In special relativity momentum=[mass/sqrt(1v^2/c^2)]*v 
1.0  Eric  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  The words do have well defined meanings in physics  Read a book on special relativity. The words are well defined, and there is an extensive experimental basis backing up the theory. 
1.0  Eric  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  Yes it is. Special relativity momentum=[mass/sqrt(1v^2/c^2)]*v = kgm/s = mass moving.  Your statement: The problem with your theory is it ignores special relativity; is both correct and incorrect. Your statement: In special relativity momentum=[mass/sqrt(1v^2/c^2)]*v; actually proves my point, rather than disproves it. Just some of the reasons I ignore relativity:

1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  Define matter, mass, momentum, force and energy in words, please.  Your statement: there is an extensive experimental basis backing up the theory; is true only when interpreted via the distrotion of relativity. 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  Matter has existence in time, volume, charge, mass, tensile strength and the ability to produce gravitational and electromagnetic forces.  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller.
FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  It is always momentum and momentum per second, never just speed, velocity or acceleration.  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller.
It is always momentum and momentum per second, never just speed, velocity or acceleration Speed and velocity in equations involing a mass term are always momentum = kgm/s = matter moving. Energy is matter with existance in time, volume, charge and mass moving per second along a distance = (((kgm/s)/s)m) = Joules FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 
STATEMENT  If too much simple reality is denied as false, all that is left is: Too much complex fantasy accepted as true.  If too much simple reality is denied as false, all that is left is: Too much complex fantasy accepted as true. As for the photon: It has energy (kgm^2/s^2), kilograms((m/s)/s)m, so following maths, science, logic and language; therefore energy and the photon have mass. It has momentum, which is by definition mass times speed, therefore the photon has mass. FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela Michelle Joy StahlfestMoller. Photons can be bought to rest, that is what detection and absorbtion of them is. 
1.0  FTJSMbyEED (C) 2012 Angela StahlfestMoller  Details  20160928 16:57:34.0 